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		<title>By: Andrew Golden</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-25795</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so the case is (I believe) completed: http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/08/31/Ruling_Reverses_MySpace_Suicide_Conviction.htm . Essentially, a written ruling was handed down today from federal court echoing what Judge Wu said a couple of months ago: that the AUSAs&#039; interpretation of the CFAA was overbroad and created a dangerous precedent. I&#039;ve said quite a bit on this topic in my initial post and its subsequent responses, but I&#039;ll add this: it&#039;s good to know that the analysis I crafted based on my 3 years of law school is the same Judge Wu used. Kind of makes me feel like all that debt was worth it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so the case is (I believe) completed: <a href="http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/08/31/Ruling_Reverses_MySpace_Suicide_Conviction.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/08/31/Ruling_Reverses_MySpace_Suicide_Conviction.htm</a> . Essentially, a written ruling was handed down today from federal court echoing what Judge Wu said a couple of months ago: that the AUSAs&#8217; interpretation of the CFAA was overbroad and created a dangerous precedent. I&#8217;ve said quite a bit on this topic in my initial post and its subsequent responses, but I&#8217;ll add this: it&#8217;s good to know that the analysis I crafted based on my 3 years of law school is the same Judge Wu used. Kind of makes me feel like all that debt was worth it <img src='http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Golden</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-24967</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A further update: Judge George Wu tentatively ruled (read: orally ruled, but may still change his mind by the time he puts it down in writing) to acquit Lori Drew of the three misdemeanor counts of what essentially amounts to violating Myspace&#039;s ToS, proving once again that legal logic doesn&#039;t take a back seat to moral outrage. Drew should never have been convicted in the first place, but I suppose that&#039;s the way the jury system is going to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further update: Judge George Wu tentatively ruled (read: orally ruled, but may still change his mind by the time he puts it down in writing) to acquit Lori Drew of the three misdemeanor counts of what essentially amounts to violating Myspace&#8217;s ToS, proving once again that legal logic doesn&#8217;t take a back seat to moral outrage. Drew should never have been convicted in the first place, but I suppose that&#8217;s the way the jury system is going to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Golden</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-6435</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Dean, I hesitated to comment before, because I figured you were using Perverted Justice as an example. However, it seems clear to me at this point that your intent is not to discuss the legal issues surrounding the CFAA, but rather to attack Perverted Justice. There are plenty of websites on the internet on which you can do so; it would be best served not to let your comments devolve to that here.

But I will take a moment to answer your question: no, it doesn&#039;t make the evidence they collect inadmissible in any way. They&#039;re not state actors and so they&#039;re not subject to the Fourth Amendment&#039;s prohibition on illegal searches and seizures. The federal government could, under the theory espoused in the CFAA, prosecute Perverted Justice members for the violation of the ToS. However, it&#039;s all moot; no AUSA is going to choose to prosecute Perverted Justice instead of the pedophiles that answer the solicitation, and Craigslist isn&#039;t going to ask the AUSA to do so anyway because their interests are better served by getting threatening members of society like those off of their site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Dean, I hesitated to comment before, because I figured you were using Perverted Justice as an example. However, it seems clear to me at this point that your intent is not to discuss the legal issues surrounding the CFAA, but rather to attack Perverted Justice. There are plenty of websites on the internet on which you can do so; it would be best served not to let your comments devolve to that here.</p>
<p>But I will take a moment to answer your question: no, it doesn&#8217;t make the evidence they collect inadmissible in any way. They&#8217;re not state actors and so they&#8217;re not subject to the Fourth Amendment&#8217;s prohibition on illegal searches and seizures. The federal government could, under the theory espoused in the CFAA, prosecute Perverted Justice members for the violation of the ToS. However, it&#8217;s all moot; no AUSA is going to choose to prosecute Perverted Justice instead of the pedophiles that answer the solicitation, and Craigslist isn&#8217;t going to ask the AUSA to do so anyway because their interests are better served by getting threatening members of society like those off of their site.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Dean</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-6430</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your input. Here&#039;s another question to ponder .... If Perverted Justice placed an ad that violated the terms of use agreement (a misdemeanor) would that not, in fact, make any and all evidence they obtained inadmissable, due to the fact it was obtained illegally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your input. Here&#8217;s another question to ponder &#8230;. If Perverted Justice placed an ad that violated the terms of use agreement (a misdemeanor) would that not, in fact, make any and all evidence they obtained inadmissable, due to the fact it was obtained illegally?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce E. Boyden</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-6387</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce E. Boyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not under the prosecution&#039;s theory in the Drew case. Of course, I don&#039;t agree with that theory. But under that theory, any intentional violation of website terms and conditions is a misdemeanor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not under the prosecution&#8217;s theory in the Drew case. Of course, I don&#8217;t agree with that theory. But under that theory, any intentional violation of website terms and conditions is a misdemeanor.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have more of a question really, if Perverted Justice uses Craig&#039;s List to post an ad as a 14 year old, and Craig&#039;s List clearly states you must be 18 years of age and also states you cannot bait and switch, would that not also be illegal? I have been reading where they started doing this and even said on youtube they were (luring) in people.  Sounds questionable at the very least, but is it legal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have more of a question really, if Perverted Justice uses Craig&#8217;s List to post an ad as a 14 year old, and Craig&#8217;s List clearly states you must be 18 years of age and also states you cannot bait and switch, would that not also be illegal? I have been reading where they started doing this and even said on youtube they were (luring) in people.  Sounds questionable at the very least, but is it legal?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Golden</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1833</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an update, apparently the jury let emotion overwhelm its reason . . . er, returned a conviction of Lori Drew on three of the four counts (failing to convict, if I read these articles correctly, on the one major felony charge of accessing protected computers with the intent to inflict emotional distress). It&#039;s worth noting, however, that the judge in the case tabled a motion to dismiss the charges until after the verdict came in, which means that after the Dec. 29 hearing she may very well have those convictions overturned as well. Essentially, she&#039;s being punished for violating Myspace&#039;s Terms of Service.

How do I feel about it? Well, it doesn&#039;t much quell my concern about prosecutions for any violations of the Terms of Service of any website. Still, the way that this verdict is being soundly ridiculed throughout the web and on local media (for example, see here: http://volokh.com/posts/1227896387.shtml -- I guess I won&#039;t be able to read his blog anymore because I&#039;m interning for the P.D.&#039;s Office!), I have a feeling that, at the very least, the sentence isn&#039;t going to be all that heavy. The important thing is that, much as many news outlets predicted, Drew is NOT being linked to Meier&#039;s suicide in a court of law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an update, apparently the jury let emotion overwhelm its reason . . . er, returned a conviction of Lori Drew on three of the four counts (failing to convict, if I read these articles correctly, on the one major felony charge of accessing protected computers with the intent to inflict emotional distress). It&#8217;s worth noting, however, that the judge in the case tabled a motion to dismiss the charges until after the verdict came in, which means that after the Dec. 29 hearing she may very well have those convictions overturned as well. Essentially, she&#8217;s being punished for violating Myspace&#8217;s Terms of Service.</p>
<p>How do I feel about it? Well, it doesn&#8217;t much quell my concern about prosecutions for any violations of the Terms of Service of any website. Still, the way that this verdict is being soundly ridiculed throughout the web and on local media (for example, see here: <a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1227896387.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://volokh.com/posts/1227896387.shtml</a> &#8212; I guess I won&#8217;t be able to read his blog anymore because I&#8217;m interning for the P.D.&#8217;s Office!), I have a feeling that, at the very least, the sentence isn&#8217;t going to be all that heavy. The important thing is that, much as many news outlets predicted, Drew is NOT being linked to Meier&#8217;s suicide in a court of law.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard M. Esenberg</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard M. Esenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Andrew has it right and this is an example of hard cases that can make bad law. Not knowing Missouri law on the intentional infliction of emotional distress and related torts, I can&#039;t comment on a civil action.

But as someone who frequently links to YouTube videos of paleo (and sometimes more current) musical performances on my personal blog (I do it every Sunday), I had no idea that I was required to do this.

Using the YouTube embedding tool seems to do it for you, so I&#039;m not in violation. (I am, quite frankly, too lazy or technologically challenged to do anything but use their tool.)

But what if I didn&#039;t use it. I posted Bauhaus&#039; &quot;Bela Lugosi&#039;s Dead&quot; for Halloween. A rather creepy song; famous for, among other things, being used as the intro for SNL&#039;s &quot;Goth Talk&quot; skit. What if it prompted some Goth kids (do they exist anymore?) to do whatever bad thing Goth kids supposedly do (or did)?

No one would charge me? Probably not, but I am uncomfortable with constructions of the law that rely too much on the forebearance of officialdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Andrew has it right and this is an example of hard cases that can make bad law. Not knowing Missouri law on the intentional infliction of emotional distress and related torts, I can&#8217;t comment on a civil action.</p>
<p>But as someone who frequently links to YouTube videos of paleo (and sometimes more current) musical performances on my personal blog (I do it every Sunday), I had no idea that I was required to do this.</p>
<p>Using the YouTube embedding tool seems to do it for you, so I&#8217;m not in violation. (I am, quite frankly, too lazy or technologically challenged to do anything but use their tool.)</p>
<p>But what if I didn&#8217;t use it. I posted Bauhaus&#8217; &#8220;Bela Lugosi&#8217;s Dead&#8221; for Halloween. A rather creepy song; famous for, among other things, being used as the intro for SNL&#8217;s &#8220;Goth Talk&#8221; skit. What if it prompted some Goth kids (do they exist anymore?) to do whatever bad thing Goth kids supposedly do (or did)?</p>
<p>No one would charge me? Probably not, but I am uncomfortable with constructions of the law that rely too much on the forebearance of officialdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Boyden</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Boyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andrew for posting on this! It&#039;s an interesting issue. There&#039;s a problem with the law here that this case highlights, which is that the definition of &quot;unauthorized access&quot; under both the CFAA and the Electronic Communications Privacy Act is vague and possibly overreaching. Orin Kerr at GWU has written a &lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=399740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pretty good article describing the problem&lt;/a&gt;. The issue here and in other cases, like Snow v. Directv out of the 11th Circuit, is whether access to a publicly available website in violation of posted terms is a violation of the CFAA. It seems to me that the 11th Circuit got it right -- there has to be something other than mere verbal restrictions on a website to limit &quot;authorized access&quot; to it for purposes of the CFAA and ECPA. It&#039;s got to be something like 17 U.S.C. 1201&#039;s &quot;technological measure.&quot;

Violation of the CFAA, including the one charged in the Drew case, can be a felony. Are you potentially guilty of a felony every time you violate the terms and conditions of a website? The idea is pretty ludicrous, given the number of sites out there with lengthy terms and conditions that almost no one reads. For example, the YouTube terms and conditions require that &quot;If you use the YouTube Embeddable Player on your website, you must include a prominent link back to the YouTube website on the pages containing the Embeddable Player ....&quot; Under the CD Cal US Attorney&#039;s interpretation, failure to include the prominent link to YouTube on a page where you have the embedded player is at least a misdemeanor, and possibly a felony violation of the CFAA. To quote from Charles Dickens, &quot;if the law says that, the law is an ass.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andrew for posting on this! It&#8217;s an interesting issue. There&#8217;s a problem with the law here that this case highlights, which is that the definition of &#8220;unauthorized access&#8221; under both the CFAA and the Electronic Communications Privacy Act is vague and possibly overreaching. Orin Kerr at GWU has written a <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=399740" rel="nofollow">pretty good article describing the problem</a>. The issue here and in other cases, like Snow v. Directv out of the 11th Circuit, is whether access to a publicly available website in violation of posted terms is a violation of the CFAA. It seems to me that the 11th Circuit got it right &#8212; there has to be something other than mere verbal restrictions on a website to limit &#8220;authorized access&#8221; to it for purposes of the CFAA and ECPA. It&#8217;s got to be something like 17 U.S.C. 1201&#8217;s &#8220;technological measure.&#8221;</p>
<p>Violation of the CFAA, including the one charged in the Drew case, can be a felony. Are you potentially guilty of a felony every time you violate the terms and conditions of a website? The idea is pretty ludicrous, given the number of sites out there with lengthy terms and conditions that almost no one reads. For example, the YouTube terms and conditions require that &#8220;If you use the YouTube Embeddable Player on your website, you must include a prominent link back to the YouTube website on the pages containing the Embeddable Player &#8230;.&#8221; Under the CD Cal US Attorney&#8217;s interpretation, failure to include the prominent link to YouTube on a page where you have the embedded player is at least a misdemeanor, and possibly a felony violation of the CFAA. To quote from Charles Dickens, &#8220;if the law says that, the law is an ass.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Golden</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1344</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I feel that the main difference between this case and the references that you made to “To Catch a Predator” (awesome show, by the way) and Marquette’s IT policy is that in those examples, the victims were adults.&quot;

Perhaps, but there&#039;s nowhere in the statute that she&#039;s being charged with that distinguishes between an adult and a minor. All of the examples you&#039;ve mentioned are good ones, but the difference between those and this case is that the statutes specifically prohibit actions toward a minor.

&quot;If she isn’t punished for violating federal statutes, what type of public policy standard does that raise? Doesn’t slippery-slope argue that this will give adults who wish to mimic Lori Drew legal sanctuary?&quot;

No, specifically because of the last point I&#039;ve made. Missouri enacted a cyberbullying statute this past July in response to this case; many states have done the same, and the federal government is looking into adding one as well. The loophole is, for all intents and purposes, closed. Could they have made the law retroactive and then prosecuted her under it? I think that would probably open its own can of worms, but it&#039;s something to consider. However, they didn&#039;t, and -- morally reprehensible as it may be -- Drew didn&#039;t actually commit any crime.

But more to the crux of your argument: accepting that a mere violation of a ToS agreement constitutes &quot;exceeding authorized access&quot; means that, specifically because there is no way to distinguish between minors and adults in this statute, ANY person who does so violates the CFAA. After all, &quot;protected information&quot; is in the eye of the beholder, and the packet hopping takes care of &quot;interstate communication.&quot; The examples I gave may seem petty and silly to prosecute; that was my point. But based on the logic applied in this case, were it to be successful (and, for the record, it&#039;s looking more and more likely that it won&#039;t), they could all be prosecuted. Surely we can agree that that would constitute a bastardization of the intent of the CFAA?

Again, Drew is reprehensible, and there&#039;s a part of me that feels no sympathy for what&#039;s happening to her. Nevertheless, I can&#039;t argue that I want to uphold the law if I turn a blind eye to it, even for people I find as morally reprehensible as Drew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I feel that the main difference between this case and the references that you made to “To Catch a Predator” (awesome show, by the way) and Marquette’s IT policy is that in those examples, the victims were adults.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps, but there&#8217;s nowhere in the statute that she&#8217;s being charged with that distinguishes between an adult and a minor. All of the examples you&#8217;ve mentioned are good ones, but the difference between those and this case is that the statutes specifically prohibit actions toward a minor.</p>
<p>&#8220;If she isn’t punished for violating federal statutes, what type of public policy standard does that raise? Doesn’t slippery-slope argue that this will give adults who wish to mimic Lori Drew legal sanctuary?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, specifically because of the last point I&#8217;ve made. Missouri enacted a cyberbullying statute this past July in response to this case; many states have done the same, and the federal government is looking into adding one as well. The loophole is, for all intents and purposes, closed. Could they have made the law retroactive and then prosecuted her under it? I think that would probably open its own can of worms, but it&#8217;s something to consider. However, they didn&#8217;t, and &#8212; morally reprehensible as it may be &#8212; Drew didn&#8217;t actually commit any crime.</p>
<p>But more to the crux of your argument: accepting that a mere violation of a ToS agreement constitutes &#8220;exceeding authorized access&#8221; means that, specifically because there is no way to distinguish between minors and adults in this statute, ANY person who does so violates the CFAA. After all, &#8220;protected information&#8221; is in the eye of the beholder, and the packet hopping takes care of &#8220;interstate communication.&#8221; The examples I gave may seem petty and silly to prosecute; that was my point. But based on the logic applied in this case, were it to be successful (and, for the record, it&#8217;s looking more and more likely that it won&#8217;t), they could all be prosecuted. Surely we can agree that that would constitute a bastardization of the intent of the CFAA?</p>
<p>Again, Drew is reprehensible, and there&#8217;s a part of me that feels no sympathy for what&#8217;s happening to her. Nevertheless, I can&#8217;t argue that I want to uphold the law if I turn a blind eye to it, even for people I find as morally reprehensible as Drew.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Hager</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2008/11/11/if-the-drew-fits-charge-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Hager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that a slippery-slope defense can be avoided, as is most often the case in which the argument is used, with the application of common-sense in regard to reading of the statute.

In the Drew case, (I feel that) it is arguable that she violated California&#039;s Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.  She violated the MySpace Terms of Service, amongst which are agreeing to provide truthful information in registering and to: refrain from harassing others, promote false information, solicit personal details from anyone under 18, refrain from posting photos of other people without their consent (I&#039;m pretty sure that the picture&#039;s owner (Josh Evans) had no clue they were using his picture).

They broke the terms of service (which have the potential threat of legal action listed below) and thus, used false information to access MySpace&#039;s servers.

I&#039;m doing my best to leave the &quot;angry retributivist&quot; part of me out of this viewpoint (as I could go on for weeks about how much punishment this woman deserves, given her lack of remorse and the vileness of her actions), but it is very clear that she DID exceed her authorized access of MySpace&#039;s servers, and thus is guilty of Computer Fraud.  Essentially, it is the same as using someone else&#039;s password to access their computer and cause them distress by deleting their memo or something.  You are using information which is not your own, to falsely access information to which you are not privy (I doubt the victim would have shared the same information, had she known that she was really talking to an aging, conscienceless neighbor as opposed to a boy her age), for the purpose of harassing/distressing that person.  I think they have a very good case here.  I&#039;m pretty sure getting the minor to discuss things sexual in nature is a whole new can of worms (that they should pursue) in this case.  Last-minute addition: adults can&#039;t view the profiles of people under 18 unless they are their friends, right?  I think MySpace limits it so that you cannot.

I feel that the main difference between this case and the references that you made to &quot;To Catch a Predator&quot; (awesome show, by the way) and Marquette&#039;s IT policy is that in those examples, the victims were adults.  I think that the risk one assumes when entirely trusting someone online should be regarded differently when it involves children.  We can&#039;t start holding issues involving children to the same expectations as adults, frankly.  Children are being protected online from perverts, scams, sex offenders, pornography, and the like, so why not against cruel adults who prey on them merely because they are children?  If she isn&#039;t punished for violating federal statutes, what type of public policy standard does that raise?  Doesn&#039;t slippery-slope argue that this will give adults who wish to mimic Lori Drew legal sanctuary? I feel that a line of demarcation must be drawn where children are involved.  She broke the law, and did so in a particularly abhorrent way, she deserves, from any standpoint, to be punished.   

As for your friend and her prank (which is pretty funny, in its own right) and the chain letter, I don&#039;t really have an opinion of that.  Let that person who lords over the use of Marquette&#039;s network deal with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that a slippery-slope defense can be avoided, as is most often the case in which the argument is used, with the application of common-sense in regard to reading of the statute.</p>
<p>In the Drew case, (I feel that) it is arguable that she violated California&#8217;s Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.  She violated the MySpace Terms of Service, amongst which are agreeing to provide truthful information in registering and to: refrain from harassing others, promote false information, solicit personal details from anyone under 18, refrain from posting photos of other people without their consent (I&#8217;m pretty sure that the picture&#8217;s owner (Josh Evans) had no clue they were using his picture).</p>
<p>They broke the terms of service (which have the potential threat of legal action listed below) and thus, used false information to access MySpace&#8217;s servers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m doing my best to leave the &#8220;angry retributivist&#8221; part of me out of this viewpoint (as I could go on for weeks about how much punishment this woman deserves, given her lack of remorse and the vileness of her actions), but it is very clear that she DID exceed her authorized access of MySpace&#8217;s servers, and thus is guilty of Computer Fraud.  Essentially, it is the same as using someone else&#8217;s password to access their computer and cause them distress by deleting their memo or something.  You are using information which is not your own, to falsely access information to which you are not privy (I doubt the victim would have shared the same information, had she known that she was really talking to an aging, conscienceless neighbor as opposed to a boy her age), for the purpose of harassing/distressing that person.  I think they have a very good case here.  I&#8217;m pretty sure getting the minor to discuss things sexual in nature is a whole new can of worms (that they should pursue) in this case.  Last-minute addition: adults can&#8217;t view the profiles of people under 18 unless they are their friends, right?  I think MySpace limits it so that you cannot.</p>
<p>I feel that the main difference between this case and the references that you made to &#8220;To Catch a Predator&#8221; (awesome show, by the way) and Marquette&#8217;s IT policy is that in those examples, the victims were adults.  I think that the risk one assumes when entirely trusting someone online should be regarded differently when it involves children.  We can&#8217;t start holding issues involving children to the same expectations as adults, frankly.  Children are being protected online from perverts, scams, sex offenders, pornography, and the like, so why not against cruel adults who prey on them merely because they are children?  If she isn&#8217;t punished for violating federal statutes, what type of public policy standard does that raise?  Doesn&#8217;t slippery-slope argue that this will give adults who wish to mimic Lori Drew legal sanctuary? I feel that a line of demarcation must be drawn where children are involved.  She broke the law, and did so in a particularly abhorrent way, she deserves, from any standpoint, to be punished.   </p>
<p>As for your friend and her prank (which is pretty funny, in its own right) and the chain letter, I don&#8217;t really have an opinion of that.  Let that person who lords over the use of Marquette&#8217;s network deal with that.</p>
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