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	<title>Comments on: The Apprentice</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Talkov</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2009/07/13/the-apprentice/comment-page-1/#comment-32232</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Talkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 02:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author makes an interesting point, but perhaps there is another gatekeeping role of outside counsel: to utilize the appropriate level of legal resources in light of the value of the matter to their client. Said another way, to advise the client against unnecessary legal expenses.

However, my experiences as a first-year litigation associate at a California law firm taught me that I often must rely on my client&#039;s assessment of the value of the case to their business. I believe it would be helpful if the lawyer could reach an independent assessment of how the particular case fit into the company&#039;s overall strategy. 

Through the lawyer&#039;s independent assessment, a client could be advised from the outset and throughout a case whether their legal expenditures are a wise investment in light of the facts of the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author makes an interesting point, but perhaps there is another gatekeeping role of outside counsel: to utilize the appropriate level of legal resources in light of the value of the matter to their client. Said another way, to advise the client against unnecessary legal expenses.</p>
<p>However, my experiences as a first-year litigation associate at a California law firm taught me that I often must rely on my client&#8217;s assessment of the value of the case to their business. I believe it would be helpful if the lawyer could reach an independent assessment of how the particular case fit into the company&#8217;s overall strategy. </p>
<p>Through the lawyer&#8217;s independent assessment, a client could be advised from the outset and throughout a case whether their legal expenditures are a wise investment in light of the facts of the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard M. Esenberg</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2009/07/13/the-apprentice/comment-page-1/#comment-25072</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard M. Esenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not overly enamored of the idea of embedding associates in legal departments. Part of my reluctance stems from the fact that I was a litigator and part is based in a concern that associates, at that point in their career, need mentoring from members of the firm.

As someone who has been in-house, however, I want to comment on Ed&#039;s emphasis on the need for counsel to be independent and to tell a client &quot;no.&quot; He is, of course, absolutely right and it may be that outside counsel are more likely to do so.

I would only extend his remarks to make a diffent point, i.e. that, however difficult it may be, inside counsel have the exact same obligations. &quot;My boss told me to do it&quot; won&#039;t wash with disciplinary authorities.

When I was a full time GC, I was part of the senior management team and a good part of my compensation did vary with the company&#039;s success. But I also considered myself &quot;apart&quot; in some sense from senior management and never hestitated to use my lawyer&#039;s veto.

I was fortunate in that the company I served understood and accepted the fact that, if I said &quot;no,&quot; I was speaking ex cathedra and was, as far as they were concerned, infallible.  This suggests to me that an ethical corporate culture is critical. But in house lawyers don&#039;t get a pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not overly enamored of the idea of embedding associates in legal departments. Part of my reluctance stems from the fact that I was a litigator and part is based in a concern that associates, at that point in their career, need mentoring from members of the firm.</p>
<p>As someone who has been in-house, however, I want to comment on Ed&#8217;s emphasis on the need for counsel to be independent and to tell a client &#8220;no.&#8221; He is, of course, absolutely right and it may be that outside counsel are more likely to do so.</p>
<p>I would only extend his remarks to make a diffent point, i.e. that, however difficult it may be, inside counsel have the exact same obligations. &#8220;My boss told me to do it&#8221; won&#8217;t wash with disciplinary authorities.</p>
<p>When I was a full time GC, I was part of the senior management team and a good part of my compensation did vary with the company&#8217;s success. But I also considered myself &#8220;apart&#8221; in some sense from senior management and never hestitated to use my lawyer&#8217;s veto.</p>
<p>I was fortunate in that the company I served understood and accepted the fact that, if I said &#8220;no,&#8221; I was speaking ex cathedra and was, as far as they were concerned, infallible.  This suggests to me that an ethical corporate culture is critical. But in house lawyers don&#8217;t get a pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Pauley</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2009/07/13/the-apprentice/comment-page-1/#comment-25044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Pauley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be somewhat analogous to physician residency programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to be somewhat analogous to physician residency programs.</p>
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