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	<title>Comments on: The Apprentice</title>
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		<title>By: Richard M. Esenberg</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2009/07/13/the-apprentice/comment-page-1/#comment-25072</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard M. Esenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not overly enamored of the idea of embedding associates in legal departments. Part of my reluctance stems from the fact that I was a litigator and part is based in a concern that associates, at that point in their career, need mentoring from members of the firm.

As someone who has been in-house, however, I want to comment on Ed&#039;s emphasis on the need for counsel to be independent and to tell a client &quot;no.&quot; He is, of course, absolutely right and it may be that outside counsel are more likely to do so.

I would only extend his remarks to make a diffent point, i.e. that, however difficult it may be, inside counsel have the exact same obligations. &quot;My boss told me to do it&quot; won&#039;t wash with disciplinary authorities.

When I was a full time GC, I was part of the senior management team and a good part of my compensation did vary with the company&#039;s success. But I also considered myself &quot;apart&quot; in some sense from senior management and never hestitated to use my lawyer&#039;s veto.

I was fortunate in that the company I served understood and accepted the fact that, if I said &quot;no,&quot; I was speaking ex cathedra and was, as far as they were concerned, infallible.  This suggests to me that an ethical corporate culture is critical. But in house lawyers don&#039;t get a pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not overly enamored of the idea of embedding associates in legal departments. Part of my reluctance stems from the fact that I was a litigator and part is based in a concern that associates, at that point in their career, need mentoring from members of the firm.</p>
<p>As someone who has been in-house, however, I want to comment on Ed&#8217;s emphasis on the need for counsel to be independent and to tell a client &#8220;no.&#8221; He is, of course, absolutely right and it may be that outside counsel are more likely to do so.</p>
<p>I would only extend his remarks to make a diffent point, i.e. that, however difficult it may be, inside counsel have the exact same obligations. &#8220;My boss told me to do it&#8221; won&#8217;t wash with disciplinary authorities.</p>
<p>When I was a full time GC, I was part of the senior management team and a good part of my compensation did vary with the company&#8217;s success. But I also considered myself &#8220;apart&#8221; in some sense from senior management and never hestitated to use my lawyer&#8217;s veto.</p>
<p>I was fortunate in that the company I served understood and accepted the fact that, if I said &#8220;no,&#8221; I was speaking ex cathedra and was, as far as they were concerned, infallible.  This suggests to me that an ethical corporate culture is critical. But in house lawyers don&#8217;t get a pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Pauley</title>
		<link>http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2009/07/13/the-apprentice/comment-page-1/#comment-25044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Pauley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be somewhat analogous to physician residency programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to be somewhat analogous to physician residency programs.</p>
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