{"id":4623,"date":"2009-04-06T22:10:31","date_gmt":"2009-04-07T03:10:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/law.marquette.edu\/facultyblog\/?p=4623"},"modified":"2020-02-15T22:01:04","modified_gmt":"2020-02-16T04:01:04","slug":"virtual-book-club-constitutional-historians-and-constitutional-theorists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/law.marquette.edu\/facultyblog\/2009\/04\/virtual-book-club-constitutional-historians-and-constitutional-theorists\/","title":{"rendered":"Virtual Book Club: Constitutional Historians and Constitutional Theorists"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/law.marquette.edu\/facultyblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/04\/const-convention.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-4628\" style=\"margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;\" title=\"const-convention\" src=\"http:\/\/law.marquette.edu\/facultyblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/04\/const-convention.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"136\" height=\"90\" \/><\/a>Michael O&#8217;Hear is to be applauded for his <a href=\"http:\/\/http:\/\/law.marquette.edu\/facultyblog\/2009\/04\/05\/virtual-book-club-tribe-on-the-invisible-constitution\/\">concise summary of Professor Tribe&#8217;s argument<\/a>.\u00a0 Thanks to Michael, the rest of us can dispense with the need to explain to the reader the contours of Professor Tribe&#8217;s thesis.<\/p>\n<p>As I read Tribe&#8217;s book, I was reminded of a story told to me by a friend who was in William Nelson&#8217;s Constitutional History seminar at Yale in the mid-1970&#8217;s.\u00a0 Nelson apparently was arguing at that time that the ratification of the Constitution of 1789 actually made very little difference, and had the Articles of Confederation remained in effect, that document would have been interpreted to mean pretty much the same as the Constitution that replaced it came to mean.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, I wasn&#8217;t in the class, but I take it that Nelson believed that the constitutional norms that emerged in post-1789 America would have developed with or without any specific constitutional text, and whatever written constitution there was would have been interpreted so that it would embrace those values.\u00a0 In the alternate timeline it might have been necessary to amend the constitution a bit more frequently than actually occurred, but I suspect that this point is probably correct.<\/p>\n<p>To me, Tribe&#8217;s argument that constitutional norms exist independent of the text of the Constitution seems only another variant on this argument.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, the manner in which he presents the argument illustrates a fundamental difference between constitutional historians and constitutional scholars. Constitutional theorists and constitutional lawyers operate within a paradigm of constitutional argument that assumes that the precise nature of arguments matter and that judicial decisions can be influenced by the logic of constitutional analysis.<\/p>\n<p>Constitutional historians, on the other hand, stand outside the paradigm and simply try to understand and to explain what is going on.\u00a0 Historians have long realized that the paradigm is quite self-serving &#8212; it creates a role for the constitutional advocate and the constitutional theorist &#8212; and that its fundamental premises ultimately fail to jibe with the reality of judicial decision-making.\u00a0 Historically, judges have been much more likely to reach results in constitutional cases through the felt imperatives of &#8220;constitutional&#8221; values than by being persuaded by logically constructed arguments or imaginative textual interpretations.<\/p>\n<p>Every now and then it dawns on a constitutional theorist that the primary paradigm doesn&#8217;t really make any sense, and he reports it to his colleagues as a revelation.\u00a0 Which it isn&#8217;t, at least for those who have studied history.\u00a0 Constitutional historians make this point over and over.\u00a0 Richard Beeman&#8217;s new book on the Constitutional Convention wonderfully illustrates the historical contingency of everything associated with the Constitution of 1789, whether it be the text itself or the ideas that were passing through the brains of various Founders.\u00a0 The point is not that constitutional norms are meaningless or purely fungible.\u00a0 Rather, constitutional meaning is an organic concept that evolves over time and which is subject to a variety of restraints.\u00a0 For some reason, constitutional scholars and constitutional lawyers never seem to catch on.<\/p>\n<p>The problem, of course, is that constitutional advocates are required by the system in which they operate\u00a0 to argue in terms drawn from inside the paradigm.\u00a0 Even if you believe that judges decide cases on the basis of culture and common norms and that history rather than logic dictates the resolution of most constitutional disputes, you cannot say that to the judge.\u00a0 The lawyer has to at least go through the motions of a traditional text-based constitutional argument.\u00a0 It is as though we tell ourselves one story in private but require that a different one be told in public.<\/p>\n<p>As law professors, we have to train our students in the art of making acceptable constitutional arguments.\u00a0 But we should be honest and tell them that the content of constitutional arguments and constitutional truths are two entirely different matters.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Michael O&#8217;Hear is to be applauded for his concise summary of Professor Tribe&#8217;s argument.\u00a0 Thanks to Michael, the rest of us can dispense with the need to explain to the reader the contours of Professor Tribe&#8217;s thesis. 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