{"id":9369,"date":"2010-03-12T09:56:26","date_gmt":"2010-03-12T14:56:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/law.marquette.edu\/facultyblog\/?p=9369"},"modified":"2010-03-12T09:56:26","modified_gmt":"2010-03-12T14:56:26","slug":"to-iqbal-or-not-to-iqbal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/law.marquette.edu\/facultyblog\/2010\/03\/to-iqbal-or-not-to-iqbal\/","title":{"rendered":"To Iqbal or Not to Iqbal?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-9370\" title=\"to_blog_or_not_to_blog\" src=\"http:\/\/law.marquette.edu\/facultyblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/03\/to_blog_or_not_to_blog-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"to_blog_or_not_to_blog\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/>One of the recent challenges for Civil Procedure profs has been to explain the Twombly\/Iqbal event to students already struggling to understand what often seems to be an arcane and highly contrived subject.<\/p>\n<p>I begin by lowering expectations, showing a slide of a local federal judge with a caption depicting his reaction to <em>Twombly &#8211; <\/em>\u00a0expressed on a panel discussing the case at a CLE seminar. &#8220;When I read this case,&#8221; he recalled, &#8220;I said &#8216;what the hell?'&#8221; I remember following the good judge&#8217;s remarks and saying that he had succinctly summarized Twombly and all that would follow would be mere elaboration. After Iqbal, I am afraid I still can&#8217;t do much better.<\/p>\n<p>Except maybe I can.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>It seems to me that the Court&#8217;s new plausibility standard has something to do with the likelihood that the plaintiff could have facts supporting the allegations being made, the ability\u00a0of a factfinder to accurately infer those facts from circumstantial evidence and the difficulty in confirming whether or not the plaintiff will ultimately be able to make a prima facie case. I was a\u00a0litigator for 25 years before becoming a full time legal academic (and still keep my hand in).\u00a0I think that I have a good sense for when the plausibility meter is stuck in the zone in which, in the words of a local magistrate judge, a complaint must be &#8220;Iqballed.&#8221; But if its hard to translate that sense into a set of principles that courts can readily discern and apply, imagine how hard it must be to explain it to ILs.<\/p>\n<p>The obvious irony, of course, is that the Iqbal majority &#8211; a group that, with the exception of Justice Kennedy &#8211; often calls for doctrine that has\u00a0the value of clarity and predictability have endorsed a pleading standard that is anything but the sort. Like Justice Stewart and pornography, I think a know a deficient complaint when I see it. But it&#8217;s hard to say why.<\/p>\n<p>Cross posted at PrawfsBlawg<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the recent challenges for Civil Procedure profs has been to explain the Twombly\/Iqbal event to students already struggling to understand what often seems to be an arcane and highly contrived subject. 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