Should Wisconsin Stop Subsidizing Law School Tuition?

In a comment on an earlier post, Daniel Suhr suggested that in this time of economic downturn the state of Wisconsin should consider eliminating the tuition subsidy that it provides for students at the University of Wisconsin Law School. As he points out, virtually of all the graduates of the law school begin their careers making higher salaries than the average Wisconsin resident and thus are arguably in a better position to pay for their legal education than the state’s taxpayers. Marquette would obviously benefit from such a policy change, but the proposal has merit above and beyond what it would do to restore the competitive balance between the state’s two law schools.

There is also nothing particularly radical about such a proposal. In fact, several highly regarded state law schools in different parts of the country have already all but abandoned subsidies for in-state students.

At the University of Virginia, where I am currently teaching as a visiting professor, out-of-state students pay tuition of $43,800, while Virginia residents pay almost as much, $38,800 (or 88.6% of out-of-state tuition). The gap is even narrower at the University of Michigan, where the out-of-state/in-state differential is $46,010 vs. $43,010 (or 93.5%). The University of Minnesota is somewhat more generous to Minnesota residents, but such students still pay 73% as much as out-of-staters ($25,324 vs. $34,726).
In contrast, in-state law students at the University of Wisconsin pay only $16,426 in tuition, which is just 45% of the $36,350 paid by most out-of-state students. (Because of the reciprocity compact, Minnesota residents attending the UW law school are charged $26,342.)

If in-state students at the University of Wisconsin Law School were required to pay the 93.5% of out-of-state tuition paid by Michigan residents at the University of Michigan, Marquette would actually have a slight tuition advantage ($32,410 vs. $33,987).

As Daniel Suhr also noted, former state representative Frank Lasee proposed several years ago that the state stop subsidizing public legal education. The idea failed to take hold at that time, but conditions may be right to revive the idea.

Tuition figures for the five law schools mentioned in this post are taken from the law schools’ web pages.

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A Misleading Chart

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A September 14 article in the Wisconsin Law Journal (noted elsewhere on this website) included the chart to the left.  Although the story was innocuous enough, reporting that applications to law school in Wisconsin went up last year in spite of the economic downturn, the accompanying chart gives the impression that applications to the University of Wisconsin Law School dramatically exceed those of Marquette.  A quick glance seems to suggest that for the fall of 2009, Wisconsin received more than twice as many applications as Marquette since the red bar appears to be more than twice as long as the blue bar.

That isn’t true, and the problem is the misleading presentation of the graph.

While it is true that Wisconsin does receive more applications than Marquette, the discrepancy is not nearly as great as the graph seems to suggest.  The problem, as anyone who looks at the graph carefully will see, is that it reproduces only the top half of the bar graph showing the relative number of applications at the two law schools.

In fact, if one looks at the entire graph, then it becomes clear that the Wisconsin lead is a more modest one.  For the fall of 2007, Marquette’s application total was 68% of the Madison total.  For 2008, the number jumped to 79%, before falling back to 72% for 2009.  Until 2009, Marquette had been gaining on Madison at a fairly rapid pace.  It seems likely that, in a time of economic downturn, the fact that private Marquette has a much higher tuition than public Wisconsin served to discourage applicants who may well have applied in the past.

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What Does It Mean To Share a Common Law School Alma Mater?

attachment.ashx (3)The recent death of Senator Edward Kennedy has led me to ponder what it means to share a common law school alma mater with someone that you don’t otherwise know.  I find that I usually feel an instant sense of kinship to people when I find that they went to the same law school as I.

Both Senator Kennedy and I are graduates of the University of Virginia Law School, albeit 18 years apart.  He finished in 1959, and I graduated in 1977.  He was also my senator from 1978 to 1987, when I lived in Massachusetts.

However, I never had the opportunity to meet him in person.  I almost did last spring when I was on the program at the UVA Law School reunion ceremonies.  The event included the 50th reunion of the Class of 1959, but Senator Kennedy was unable to attend because of his deteriorating health.

While I would like to claim that a common law school provides a meaningful bond across time, I am not sure that it does.  First of all, I’m not sure that the legal educations that Senator Kennedy and I received had much in common.

The decade of the 1960’s, which separated our law school experiences, represented a sea change in most areas of American law.  The Virginia law faculty of the 1950’s was a bastion of conservative thinking.  By the mid-1970’s, the faculty was squarely within the liberal mainstream of legal academia.

We probably had at most one or two of the same professors and one of those was the director of the law library who taught us both Legal Bibliography.  (In addition, one of my professors, Dick Howard, was a law school classmate of Senator Kennedy.)  Also, we went to law school in different buildings.  Since its founding in 1826, the University of Virginia Law School had been located on the University’s main campus (called the Grounds, never the campus), but in 1974, the year I began, it was moved to a new building located on the new North Grounds, some distance from the rest of the University.

Moreover, in 1959, the University of Virginia Law School was still very much a small, southern gentleman’s institution where faculty and even students formally entertained in their homes or apartments.  By the mid-1970’s the enrollment had almost doubled, and the institution, while still noticeably southern, had acquired a much more egalitarian manner.  In Ted Kennedy’s student days in Charlottesville, all students wore ties and jackets to every class.  By my time, the only people so attired were those with job interviews before or after class.

When I was a student, I was very much aware of the fact that Edward Kennedy (and his brother Bobby) had both attended my law school.  Kennedy was a current United States Senator and one of the leading political figures in the country, the episode at Chappaquiddick notwithstanding.  Everyone at the law school who remembered Ted and Bobby Kennedy loved to tell stories about them.  It was also well known that while he was a somewhat mediocre student, Kennedy and his friend and classmate John Tunney (also a U.S. Senator in 1974) had won the Lile Moot Court competition as students.  (The Lile competition is the UVA equivalent of Marquette’s Jenkins Moot Court, and, like Jenkins, is taken extremely seriously.)

Nevertheless, I don’t think that in most situations a common law school alma mater actually means very much.  Of course, one has a great deal in common with one’s law school classmates–many of my best friends today remain people that I met while in law school—and others who attended the same law school a few years before and a few years later.  Common professors and a common curriculum probably mean that you share a great deal in common with them.  It may also be the case that one can benefit professionally from a particular law school affiliation, especially in law firm hiring where lawyers do seem to show partially to graduates of their alma maters (if for no reason other than to reinforce the view that they went to an outstanding law school).

I have found that I am usually pleasantly surprised to find out that someone is also a graduate of the University of Virginia Law School.  I had this experience in recent years with my Marquette colleague Chad Oldfather, Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, and new NFL Players Association director, DeMaurice Smith.  All three attended the University of Virginia, but many years after I did.  However, when I think about it, the affinity comes more from having lived in the same semi-idyllic community for several years than from common identification with the same law school.

Why is that?  At least from my perspective, the legal education that I received seems pretty generic, basically the same education that I could have received at lots of other law schools.  There was nothing sufficiently unique about the University of Virginia to give rise to special bonds that stretch well beyond one’s own personal experiences with the law school.  I certainly never got the message that there was a distinctive “University of Virginia lawyer” or that the law school imparted a distinct perspective on professional obligation or legal ethics.  Moreover, even though the institution was quite “historic,” it was obvious that neither the students nor the faculty knew much about, or cared much about, the institution’s actual history.  The halls of the law school were filled with portraits of former deans and professors that no one seemed to recognize.

My sense is that most law schools are like this.

What I find particularly appealing about the idea of the “Marquette Lawyer” is that it suggests that there is in fact something unique and uniquely transformative about attending Marquette Law School.  If Marquette is training not just competent lawyers, but lawyers who enter the profession with a distinctive commitment to legal ethics and public service, then a Marquette legal education is different from that provided by other law schools.

I can also see how that vision of the profession—and the belief that Marquette graduates represent a special corps within the legal profession–could provide a common bond that could unite graduates from across different generations.

Finally, I would be remiss in not noting that Marquette lawyers are also tied together by the presence of Professor Jim Ghiardi, whose career as a Marquette law professor began almost 65 years ago, and whose connection to the law school as a student dates back to the late 1930’s.  His career here marks a full two thirds of this institution’s history.

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